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Post by Kuba "The Demon Slayer" on Mar 21, 2006 16:21:21 GMT -5
Who is this "Holy Ghost" ??
How does the He work in our loves??
Where does He come from?
When does He come into a Christians life?
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Post by bozzy on Mar 27, 2006 14:26:09 GMT -5
Who is this "Holy Ghost" ?? How does the He work in our loves?? Where does He come from? When does He come into a Christians life? Kuba, give us your views!
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Post by Kuba "The Demon Slayer" on Apr 4, 2006 18:43:09 GMT -5
Wise response, Bozzy!! This is a very precarious subject and several folks have been misquoted out of context and labeled as false teaches on this subject..
Let me just say that The Holy Ghost is just as much God as the Father and the Son are. The Holy Ghost is never a what, but a who. He does come into the believer at the moment of salvation, but the degree of how much we submit to Him changes as we grow more in Christ. I do understand the concept of the Holy Ghost Baptism, though. But the fact is that the Holy Ghost hasd been in our lives since before we were even born. I believe that I was baptised in the Spirit when I first really became aware of the Holy Ghost's presence with in me. But I know that He was in my heart since I first asked Jesus into my heart.
However, I did not really understand how to respond to Him then.. Heck i am still learning now.. It is a life long proccess..
OK, Bozzy.. I got the ball rolling.. Your turn for the hot seat..!!
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Post by Gods Girl on Apr 4, 2006 19:52:17 GMT -5
The Holy Ghost is always with you, just as the lord is. The Holy Ghost is the spirit that jesus gave up when he died on the cross. As much as you acknowledge jesus before you say or do anything, you should also acknowledge the Holy Ghost. As stated in the above comment, Father (God), Son (Jesus Christ) Holy Spirit (Holy ghost). Three divine beings in one. As Jesus says: " I go to prepare a place for you, therefore you can not go where I am going. But, I will send my helper (the Holy Spirit) to you. All I know, is that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are both awesome.
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Post by bozzy on Apr 5, 2006 12:00:32 GMT -5
Agreed Kuba the Holy Ghost is God.
Eph 1:13-14 13 In Him (Christ), you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation having also believed, you were sealed in Him (Christ) with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is given as a pledge (downpayment) of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession (Believers in Christ), to the praise of His glory.
The Holy Spirit is only 'with' you (B/C he didn't indwell believers in the OT, only came upon them for the work of God) and always 'in' you if you realize that you cannot attain salvation on your own. -->You rely on the finished work of Jesus dying on the cross, since this is why he came to earth. Jesus came to show us Gods unfathomable love for which he loves us. Jesus suffered as predicted in passages like Isaiah 53, on a cross with God's wrath on him in our place. When people come to faith in this action that Jesus did for you, having believed God gives you the Holy Spirit as assurance or as some say Fire insurance.
Also spoken of in the prophet of Joel 2 "It will come about after this That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, Your young men will see visions.
So Kuba has my 'great learning' made me mad? Bozzy
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Post by Zeph317 on Apr 6, 2006 16:15:38 GMT -5
Well, I would like to weigh in on this subject. So far I agree with most of what is said. The Holy Spirit is definitely the hardest of the three parts of God to get our heads around.
It seems to me that the Holy Spirit is the aspect of God that enables Him to be everywhere at once and know all things at once too. I believe the theological terminology is omnipotence (all-knowing) and omnipresence (everywhere). As three dimensional beings, it hard for us to imagine, to even fathom, that someone can exist simultaneously in more than one place. Of course, this is just part of the Holy Spirit.
I also believe as some of you have pointed out that the specific presence in our lives occurs when we invite Jesus to be Lord of our lives and ask Him to forgive us our sins. However, it is not a gray area that the "baptism of the Holy Ghost" is not a Biblical concept.
This is so misused by many in the church, mainly in the past 100 years. Paul is clear to point out that tongues is one of many differing gifts that not all believers share, when he describes us as being a part of the body, each having our own specific purpose and gifting, and then he asks: "Do all have the gift of administration, do all have the gift of teaching, do all have the gift of prophecy, do all have the gift of healing, do all have the gift of interpretation, AND LASTLY (he makes a point of always stating tongues last because it is the least of all the gifts) DO ALL HAVE THE GIFT OF TONGUES? If you look at the context in 1 Cor. 12:29, the emphatic answer is NO.
So therefore, if a church teaches that all believers should speak in tongues as evidence for the holy spirit, then I say that they are heretical for it is crystal clear that not all people have this gift.
Besides, Paul also goes on to say that tongues is a gift not for believers for "edification" as many false teachers today try to say, but in fact is for unbelievers. Which if you look at Pentecost, makes total sense as those witnesses there gathering in the market from all over the world were utterly amazed that these Jewish men, many of whom were just common working folk, were speaking in several different "languages" or "tongues."
So when we put on the "Full Armor of God" let us remember that in the last days men will teach false doctrines in order to confuse and if possible lead us astray.
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Post by Gods Girl on Apr 7, 2006 18:31:36 GMT -5
Which is why god has made those who have this knowledge, watchers. We must watch for those signs- false prophets who will come in sheeps clothing. They come to deceive, and steal. As it is written, many are cllaed, but few are chosen. (Matthew). Luckily, those who have accepted the lord, and followed his word will not have to see the great tribultation. This also, is what he tells belivers to watch for, is his coming. God made the body of armor, not to have our backs exposed, but to face our enemy dead on. We can stand up to the enemy without fear, and fight back with the word of god.
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Post by prophetical on Feb 28, 2007 6:57:59 GMT -5
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Post by whinberry on May 21, 2007 2:20:04 GMT -5
Hello all, I will be picking my words here because I just got slung off a board for saying that the baptism with the Holy Ghost is a real personal experience with the Lord subsequent to conversion. I am certain God wants us to talk about this, because it is crucially to do with His power, and so the devil is really riled whenever we get somewhere in trying to discuss it openly. He would rather churches maintain "business as usual", having the "form of godliness but denying the power thereof". Hard to deny the power of God when you have been baptized in the Spirit. When it happened to me, I felt alive in Jesus at the level of every cell and nerve ending. My faith took a leap forward as a result. Nothing could be the same again. I didn't speak in tongues until a few years later, another story, some doctrinal positions say thats impossible. I know it isn't because of my experience, heh. I am not alone. Tongues is a good subject but another thing that people fight over, hmm. I am hoping this is a board where people can discuss with the attitude that we can enrich each others' experience by what we have to say, not piss them off when they are different. God celebrates our differences, and all together we make a perfect body, no one less important than any other. How cool is that. And that baptism with the Holy Ghost is for everyone who wants more of Him, for us and our children, and as many as the Lord our God shall call. Thank you Jesus! Love, Mary from Wales (whinberry)
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Post by Kuba "The Demon Slayer" on Jul 15, 2007 4:38:42 GMT -5
Won't get slung off here dear sis!
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Post by edgecrusher on Jul 18, 2007 12:33:25 GMT -5
I would not call Him the Holy Ghost, though I know it is written that way in the KJV and NKJV, but it would be best to call Him the Holy Spirit. And there are gifts of the Holy Spirit. And once we ask the Lord into our hearts, the Holy Spirit dwells within us! His fruits, not just gifts are shown through our lives as we live and fellowship with Him! One word, RELATIONSHIP! Which is why god has made those who have this knowledge, watchers. We must watch for those signs- false prophets who will come in sheeps clothing. They come to deceive, and steal. As it is written, many are cllaed, but few are chosen. (Matthew). Luckily, those who have accepted the lord, and followed his word will not have to see the great tribultation. This also, is what he tells belivers to watch for, is his coming. God made the body of armor, not to have our backs exposed, but to face our enemy dead on. We can stand up to the enemy without fear, and fight back with the word of god. To answer your first line, we need the gift of discernment, which is prominent to this day in our lady friends more than us guys! I am going to have to disagree with you certain parts. First off, I think that we as christians have been so hypnotised by the media that we are actually believing that most churches now days are decieving their flocks. Now in saying that, when do we get the right to say that they are? Now I have been abused and destroyed in a few churches, one of them being a cult, well turned into one that is, but most churches are not decieiving you. What I think it comes down to is that unless the pastor has been through it may it be the gifts of the HS, or etc, he will not touch it and will probobaly speak against it, because he does not know what to do with it! To the next part I am very disturbed over the fact of certain are to teach though there are many! Did you maybe forget about the harvest is rich but the workers are few part too? I swear that this I think maybe turning our generations into a cancer causing disease. Now bear with me for a moment, over 8 million of Kuba's and my brothers and sisters were aborted, cut up, you add what you want to say, etc...., but for some crazy reason we have never changed our views on biblican foundations until well I think Sept. 11th, 2001. When we visually saw that, we started to look at life in a different spectrum, and I think we were wrong too in doing so. But we started to think, what are we getting out of it? Is this gratifying us? The me me me syndrome mentality. There is an abundance of harvest, God has His seeds planted, and all we are worrying is about that pastor is blind and what about me? When did we get the right to change what the Bible says, and start fragmenting, and using it to what we want it to say, but not what the Bible really says? We are all in this for the Kingdom of God, to help God bring His Kingdom, not our intentions. You nor I will know when we go to heaven, and I have to come the finalization, that pre and post-trib needs to be thrown out!
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Post by norman on Jul 25, 2007 19:36:20 GMT -5
Who is this "Holy Ghost" ?? How does the He work in our loves?? Where does He come from? When does He come into a Christians life? We have never seen or touched Jesus. So how can we know Him and know that He is alive? The Holy Spirit convinces us in a way that surpasses all other proof that Christ lives and dwells in us. And we thus enjoy His unique, resurrection life day by day. This revelation is called, "the internal testimony of the Holy Spirit." It is a privilege that belongs to us as we trust in Jesus our Lord and Savior.
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Post by edgecrusher on Aug 15, 2007 1:26:14 GMT -5
convinces us? Then where is your faith in believing in the unseen? I mean with that, it sounds agnostic! The Bible who is Jesus who is God who is the Holy Spirit breaths life and belif and faith!
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